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#1 2011-12-02 19:24:50

tysonrss
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‘Indefinite Detention’ Bill Passes Senate 93-7

Americans completely stripped of all rights under Section 1031.

No wonder the Media hasn't covered anything about it. They're just as much as owned by the Big 6 Mega Banks as much as the US Government is. Here it is in summation.


The Senate last night codified into law the power of the U.S. military to indefinitely detain an American citizen with no charge, no trial and no oversight whatsoever with the passage of S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act.

One Amendment that would have specifically blocked the measures from being used against U.S. citizens was voted down and the final bill was passed 93-7.


Another amendment introduced by Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein that attempted to bar the provision from being used on American soil, an effort to ensure “the military won’t be roaming our streets looking for suspected terrorists,” also failed, although Feinstein voted in favor of the bill anyway.

Feinstein was able to include a largely symbolic amendment which states that “nothing in the bill changes current law relating to the detention of U.S. citizens and legal aliens,” but this measure is meaningless according to Republican Congressman Justin Amash, a fierce critic of the bill.

“Some have asserted that Sen. Feinstein’s amendment, S Amdt 1456, protects the rights of American citizens and preserves constitutional due process. Unfortunately, it does not. It’s just more cleverly worded nonsense,” Amash wrote on his Facebook page.

Though the White House has threatened to veto the bill, the fact that Obama administration lawyers yesterday reaffirmed their backing for state sponsored assassination of U.S. citizens would suggest otherwise. Not voting for the bill, or in other words upholding the oath to protect the Constitution, has been described over and over again as “political suicide”.

“The bill puts military detention authority on steroids and makes it permanent, American citizens and others are at greater risk of being locked away by the military without charge or trial,” said Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union.

As Spencer Ackerman highlights , the bill completely violates the sixth amendment in that it allows American citizens to be locked up indefinitely, including in a foreign detention center, without any burden of proof whatsoever. An American merely has to be declared a terrorist and they can be abducted off the streets and never seen again.

“The detention mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn’t limited to foreigners. It’s confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the University of Texas’ Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan authority on military detention — “U.S. citizens are included in the grant of detention authority,” writes Ackerman.

This is a code RED ALERT. Warn everybody you know, take this shit seriously. Law Enforcement are being trained to believe we, the citizens are Terrorists, are evil. For example, take a look FEMA telling local Cops that the Founding Fathers were Terrorists. You can't make this up.

This bill declared that the U.S is to be made a battleground should "Terrorists" attack, and that anyone suspected of Terrorism--including Americans will never be seen or heard from again. Getting executed without a Jury. This is so illegal.


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#2 2011-12-02 22:48:22

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Re: ‘Indefinite Detention’ Bill Passes Senate 93-7

My post at Jul:

stag019 wrote:
the article wrote:

...owning guns, using a watch... using cash...

Well, there goes me and my entire family to prison. Forever. Yay!

Hopefully this'll just get stuck somewhere (else) in congress, like any bill ever.


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#3 2011-12-02 23:23:07

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Is that you saying you don't care about your rights as a Human being, just want to be some boot licker?


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#4 2011-12-02 23:32:58

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I'm saying basically that my rights as a human being no longer exist and there's nothing I can do to fix that.

Edit: And like I said I hope this gets tied up somewhere else in Congress like everything else usually does.

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#5 2011-12-02 23:34:19

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Yeah there is.

You fight for them.


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#6 2011-12-02 23:35:48

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Grumpy old people don't change their minds. See also: everyone in all of politics.

Edit: Damn I'm so tired from work I keep thinking of things to add.
But basically, if you fight for it, you end up getting seriously injured. See also: Occupy Wall Street.

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#7 2011-12-02 23:39:51

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So tell me, when they come to your doorstep ready to drag you and your family to a FEMA camp, you're just going to go on ahead?

Screw that. I'm not going without a fight.


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#8 2011-12-03 19:42:27

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Um, no offense, but who cares. I haven't been worrying about my rights as an individual and don't plan on doing so until I am affected.

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#9 2011-12-03 20:01:11

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That's a mighty sad way to live then, and why countless people in the past has died from tyranny.

People in this day and age would rather repeat that. And it's quite sad.

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#10 2011-12-03 21:14:13

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Ben wrote:

Um, no offense, but who cares. I haven't been worrying about my rights as an individual and don't plan on doing so until I am affected.


    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.

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#11 2011-12-04 08:11:08

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Tauwasser wrote:

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Is it ironic that the German posted this? (Sorry, sorry, Godwin…)

In any case, this law really sucks. The USA has some really nice things like freedom of speech, but that is being infringed in various ways, and this kind of thing (well, possibly, as I haven’t read up on this bill in particular) is a symptom of the same kind of brain damage.

#12 2011-12-04 16:50:33

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Yes. The Constitution has many loop holes that they can exploit. Many times they have said that things would be easier if there was no Constitution. So this bill doesn't surprise me.

Those 93 traitors need to be charged for Treason.

That's a good saying though.

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#13 2011-12-05 01:26:57

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Government is afraid.

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