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#1 2011-04-29 18:40:10

renaldo19
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Registered: 2010-10-16
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Newbie needs help ...

Hello,

I am a nostalgic guy from Germany and I wanted to ask you if it would be possible that you can give me some informations about hacking of pokémon games.

First of all, I wanted to thank everyone in this forums because I really appreciate your work and your hacks (from RBY and GSC) give me a nostalgic and also quite melancholic feeling, which sometimes is just good.

But as I also'd like to hack a pokémon from the first or second generation, but just don't know how, I wanted to ask you if you can provide me some help, for example giving me some tutorials, tell me which tools I need and should you use and just how hacking generally works.

I would really thank you and be honored if you waste a little spare time on a old fella who wants to feel young again ...

... and who knows, maybe some day you'll play one of my hacks. :)


Best regards,
Renaldo

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#2 2011-04-29 19:17:26

dooshboi
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From: Brooklyn, New York
Registered: 2010-11-02
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Re: Newbie needs help ...

Welcome to the forums! (: You seem to be pleasant and willing to learn. There are a lot of different aspects to hacking, and hacking Generation I and II is a lot different from hacking Generation III or IV. You should look at the Idea Discussion section, or Hacks Section for examples of what to do or what a hack looks like. But first you should start by downloading a Hex Editor. I reccomend GoldFinger or Windhex. You may also want to check out the tools in the respective forum for it. I reccommend learning hex mainly and not using tools as much. An important tool is a mapping tool, which allows you to edit the maps and levels in the game. Now once you have your hex editor you'll want to check out Giegue's Document for basic hex editing. Google it and use the link that is at romhacking.net. This document will teach you how to edit Pokemon Trainers, level up moves, evolutions, music, Pokedex entries, stats, and more. If you want to learn scripting or more advanced editing, I suggest you directly ask experienced hackers like Sawakita, IImarckus, Miksy91, IronNidow, Tauwasser, and Koolboyman. Hope you enjoy your stay at the forum!


I don't calculate stat values, I don't breed my way to perfection, and I don't care about natures. I catch my Pokemon the way they are, and treat them like individuals instead of brainless drones.

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#3 2011-04-29 19:23:06

Miksy91
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Re: Newbie needs help ...

This is one of the best tutorials for starting out:
http://www.romhacking.net/docs/37/

You should able to figure out pretty much what rom hacking is by just reading that document.
Afterwards, you can start checking what threads other people have made in 1st/2nd gen hacking subforums to find out more about these games itself.

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#4 2011-04-29 19:28:21

dooshboi
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From: Brooklyn, New York
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Re: Newbie needs help ...

Speaking of the devil, Miksy91 has made a lot of Pokemon Crystal hacks and generally has the most experience with that game, so if you're going for a Crystal hack go to him. Also he is a very good scripter, check out his YouTube channel.


I don't calculate stat values, I don't breed my way to perfection, and I don't care about natures. I catch my Pokemon the way they are, and treat them like individuals instead of brainless drones.

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#5 2011-04-29 19:45:33

renaldo19
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Re: Newbie needs help ...

Hello dooshboi (awesome signature, have to agree!) and Miksy (I played your hacks and saw also some parts of your wt's on youtube!)! :)

Thank you for your help, I'll read those things, but I also'd like to ask some questions, if it is possible ... maybe this thread can be used as an "beginners-thread"? I am extremely interested in those hacking things so I have some questions, but I'm afraid it could get on someone's nerves ... but may I ask? :)

Best regards (will be a nice evening, some chillin' and downloading those editors and reading tutorials :) ).

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#6 2011-04-29 19:55:43

Miksy91
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Re: Newbie needs help ...

renaldo19 wrote:

but may I ask? :)

ask.


lol, that was the way to answer in army :D

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#7 2011-04-29 20:06:47

renaldo19
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Re: Newbie needs help ...

Haha.

First of all, I'd like to enlarge my knowledge about hacking in general. So: What's the difference between hacking the first two generations and those of the following (which, I admit, never played)?

How long (in hours, not days or something, if possible :) ) does a hacked version of games need?

How do I save edited/hacked data in an file like those .ips-patches from the downloads I take?


best regards to my sergeant. :)

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#8 2011-04-29 20:07:03

tekcoR
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From: Celadon City
Registered: 2010-10-16
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Re: Newbie needs help ...

I suggest Giegues guide taking account to IIMarkus review. It's a good introduction.

Edit:
In my opinion, the difference is the precondition. Gen 3 is better researched than its predecessors. A lot of tools are available for a wide variety of many diverse areas. So some parts are easier to edit.These games also provides more technical possibilities due to their "up-to-dateness". ;)
I think that the first two generations should be seperated to themselves. RBY has to deal with the problem of its messy coding and ASM scripts. But anyway, it has its own charme like every other Pokemon generation. ;]
Gen II is a lot more clearly and tool supported than Gen I. Two regions and loads of unique features make it to a good choice for GBC rom hacking.

The time depends on what do you want to hack. A small improvement some hours, a completely overhaul needs years. It's hard to calculate a number of hours because rom hacking always depends on your real life.

Your edited data is saved in the rom file. If you want to release it you should create a ips-patch with LunarIPS. It's a small, self-evidently program.

Da du aus Deutschland kommst, empfehle ich dir bei fortgeschrittenem Wissen RHW und das RH-Wiki (bei Letzterem stehen auch allgemeinere Sachen drin).

Last edited by tekcoR (2011-04-29 23:07:10)


Cya

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#9 2011-04-29 20:45:42

Miksy91
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Registered: 2010-10-16
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Re: Newbie needs help ...

Gamefreak developed the games in a way that:
-1st and 2nd gen use many similar kinds of structures (for example map headers and trainer data)
-Straight scripting commands were created for 2nd gen and for the newer versions (scripting in 1st gen is modifying assembly code)

I think you're the one to decide how long your hacked game will be;
if you want to make a normal pokemon game (to make player challenge gym leaders etc.) it should last a while.

You can use Lunar Ips to create ips-patches of your own hacks.

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#10 2011-04-29 21:43:02

renaldo19
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Registered: 2010-10-16
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Re: Newbie needs help ...

Thanks. I hope, I can ask again in this thread without annoying you when I need help, but actually it is enough. :)

@tekcoR:
Tolle Seite, danke dir. Klingt schon 'mal sehr gut und interessant finde ich es sowieso, werde mich dem widmen und 'mal sehen, ob es meinen potenziellen Fähigkeiten entspricht.


I plan to make an overhaul of the old pokemon series but maybe even in the GSC-series, I have some concrete plans what I want to change, there will be a new story and twists and I also want that there is a bigger challenge with more availaible pokemon but without new ones or unclear events. It should be a story with the charme of the old games but with new challenges and something with emotion. I hope I get it done some day :)

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#11 2011-04-30 12:18:52

Sawakita
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Registered: 2010-10-16
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Re: Newbie needs help ...

I hack almost only RBY, but that's because I really prefer 1st generation above the other games, and I'm interested not only in building a new hack game, but also in finding out how the game is programmed and structured in itself.

Seeing as your main goal is to build a new game based on the nostalgic 1st/2nd generations you may prefer GSC because of their tons of features. I honestly have to admit that GSC is the best game among all generations, even though I actually should promote more the 1st gen. Nonetheless it may happen to you, as it happened to me, that you find ROM-hacking a more and more enjoyable hobby, and migrate to RBY after a while.

So, to sum up, you could find more handy GSC over RBY, as a starting point.
Have a nice hacking time.

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