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#1 2013-05-11 11:55:01

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I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

...for Smogon and I thought I might as well share it in this forum since everybody will easily understand it. I think I came up with a cool and accurate article as I did lots of research and tested lots of stuff here and there. It was a lot of fun.

http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue27/glitch

Enjoy!

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#2 2013-05-11 15:53:36

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

I took a little peek (well, I checked all the pictures and subtitles) at what you've got there (and read a little bit of text too).
Interesting stuff (I kinda knew this myself but still) though.

Hard to say if all the information there is accurate or not, but all in all, it looks pretty well done to me.

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#3 2013-05-11 19:47:58

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

An important piece of information to add would be why encountering MissingNo. (or 'M) increases your item count for the 6th item in your bag. Oh, and maybe that we're assuming that MissingNo. were once real Pokemon (and mention their cries).

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#4 2013-05-11 20:28:23

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

Lookin' good. How is that Hex editor called, because it's useful for me, because it has an R/B/Y Text format option.


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#5 2013-05-12 10:45:46

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

Thanks for the comments guys!

An important piece of information to add would be why encountering MissingNo. (or 'M) increases your item count for the 6th item in your bag.

Unfortunately, the article was already pretty long for The Smog standards so I had to cut a few things, and that was one of them. Talking about that would also require to explain some stuff about the RAM.

Oh, and maybe that we're assuming that MissingNo. were once real Pokemon (and mention their cries).

I actually covered this in the "Why do MissingNo. and Glitch Pokémon exist?" section!

How is that Hex editor called, because it's useful for me, because it has an R/B/Y Text format option.

It's goldfinger

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#6 2013-05-12 11:23:01

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

Crystal_ wrote:
TheMoneyOfTheWorld wrote:

How is that Hex editor called, because it's useful for me, because it has an R/B/Y Text format option.

It's Goldfinger.

Thanks.


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#7 2013-05-13 05:04:11

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

Crystal_ wrote:

Unfortunately, the article was already pretty long for The Smog standards so I had to cut a few things, and that was one of them. Talking about that would also require to explain some stuff about the RAM.

Oh. Why does Smogon gotta be a douche like that. That's a pretty important piece of information, I'd think. What else was cut?


Crystal_ wrote:

I actually covered this in the "Why do MissingNo. and Glitch Pokémon exist?" section!

Oh, sorry, I only skimmed it and didn't see that.

the article wrote:

here is a Pastebin that contains data of each unique MissingNo. cry as well as a link to the audio to hear each cry

There wasn't any link.



Also, you're "General Pokémon Data" table looks a lot like this.


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#8 2013-05-13 12:12:59

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

Oh. Why does Smogon gotta be a douche like that. That's a pretty important piece of information, I'd think. What else was cut?

No lol, I didn't mean that they forced me to cut things just that I had a lot of things planned to write about but while I was writing the article I realized it was going to be too long so I had to decide which parts not to write about. Initially I has planned to talk about 6th item thing as well as some exploitable glitches to encounter missingno and glitch pokemon (old man glitch, johto guard glitch) and Hall of Fame corruption albeit I only know where's the data that gets overwritten but don't know why it happens though, so whatever.
Welp, I guess I used the word "cut" wrong. Sorry if you misunderstood.

here is a Pastebin that contains data of each unique MissingNo. cry as well as a link to the audio to hear each cry
There wasn't any link.

Lol, I guess they forgot to add the link when they submitted the article. I'll tell someone to get that fixed. They also forgot to format the Pokedex data structure in the third section so I guess ill kill two birds with one stone and tell one of The Smog staff to get both things fixed! This is the pastebin btw: http://pastebin.com/mtrFXj46. I edited it over an already existing pastebin I found in the net. I just added the links to the cries and reformatted the structure a bit.

Also, you're "General Pokémon Data" table looks a lot like this.

Yep, I won't hide that I took the idea of the table from that table of yours. It's just so informative yet simple looking that I couldn't think a better way to illustrate MissingNo's GPD. I expanded a bit on some things but as you see the structure is basically the same :P

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#9 2013-05-13 16:07:16

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

About MissingNo. Did you know it was an Kind Possible to edit Pokemon number 000 in Pokemon Ruby? I can make from him real MissingNo. From Pokemon Red.


http://hax.iimarck.us/topic/3435/ - Pokemon Ruby GEN V GRAPHIC hack Thread
http://hax.iimarck.us/topic/3476/ - Unused Music Midi Thread
http://hax.iimarck.us/topic/3579/ - Some info about region Thonsu

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#10 2013-05-13 16:53:58

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

SirAllanNewlight wrote:

About MissingNo. Did you know it was an Kind Possible to edit Pokemon number 000 in Pokemon Ruby? I can make from him real MissingNo. From Pokemon Red.

Cool Story Bro.

@Topic: Good article, maybe you should have split it into two parts and release the latter in issue 28 along with the cut out stuff. Also enjoyed your GSC/ADV analysis for the RBY metagame.


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#11 2013-05-13 17:55:12

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

@Topic: Good article, maybe you should have split it into two parts and release the latter in issue 28 along with the cut out stuff. Also enjoyed your GSC/ADV analysis for the RBY metagame.

This is a possibility I had already considered myself, to release the other stuff in another issue; the parts that have more to do with the RAM and the save data. However I'll be very busy the next weeks so, if anything, I might release that second part in issue 29 or even 30, though I also have another cool idea for the next smog article I might write. Moreover, I'm also working on updating old gen analyses (particularily rby analyses) along with a few other people and these are generally a priority over the smog articles, at least they were before I decided to try and write for the Smog lol. Plus, I also have a Pokemon Crystal hack I'm working on and I'd like to finish it someday lol... With exams I won't be doing anything regarding Pokemon in the next two months so for then I'll decide if I write a second part about the MissingNo. article, but probably I won't do it though.

Glad you enjoyed the RBY underdog article btw :)

Also sorry for the wall of text, but I really wanted to talk about something else after a hard day of studying lol

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#12 2013-05-13 18:49:30

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

Well... MissingNo is very intresting Pokemon... But Better I like him Japanese name <KETSUBAN> It is an unused data of Kanghaskan Kid... Why I think that? Easy? To which Pokemon MissingNo evolve when you give them Rare Candy? XD


http://hax.iimarck.us/topic/3435/ - Pokemon Ruby GEN V GRAPHIC hack Thread
http://hax.iimarck.us/topic/3476/ - Unused Music Midi Thread
http://hax.iimarck.us/topic/3579/ - Some info about region Thonsu

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#13 2013-05-13 18:57:31

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

MissingNo. doesn't evolve into anything though. On the other hand 'M does evolve into Kangaskhan

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#14 2013-05-13 19:13:24

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

Oh yea.... 'M.... Bad brother of MissingNo. But it was intresting that we can have an small Kanghaskan in our pokeball without mother... Meybe in 6th generation Kangh have apperance. XD


http://hax.iimarck.us/topic/3435/ - Pokemon Ruby GEN V GRAPHIC hack Thread
http://hax.iimarck.us/topic/3476/ - Unused Music Midi Thread
http://hax.iimarck.us/topic/3579/ - Some info about region Thonsu

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#15 2013-05-14 08:46:00

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

Crystal_ wrote:

words

Ah, okay. Yeah, you probably got the cries thing from my section on the page at TCRF (my pastebin paste here). That would make sense, since my MissingNo. explanation thing was also on that page.

Speaking of TCRF, I noticed that your article is extremely well-written; it's both well thought out, and very grammatically fluent: not too simple nor complex. I'd like to use (some, all?) of it on TCRF to better explain things as need be. Of course, the question is what parts about MissingNo. should be in the article, and which shouldn't. I would think that only the parts that deal with the fact they were likely unused Pokemon should be in there. But maybe how to access MissingNo. should be in there too, since that's a way of demonstrating it. But then do we need only explain how it works, and not why? Or does the why fall under "things that have changed from different versions" since MissingNo. isn't accessible via the main method in the Spanish and Italian versions (fun fact: in either the French or German versions, attempting to load MissingNo.'s graphics causes a crash. I think it's French, and I'm too lazy to check, but if Tauwasser sees this he can confirm whether or not it's the German version). But then since the other ways weren't fixed, does it belong or not? What a mess! I plan on making a huge post on Jul explaining everything and ask the administrators (*cough* including Sanky *cough*) what should be done. I have other bones to pick with that article too... when I get around to them...

But anyways, do I have permission to use all or parts of this article in the TCRF page, paraphrased and/or verbatim?


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#16 2013-05-14 16:44:24

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Re: I wrote an article about MissingNo. and Glitch Pokemon...

Ah, okay. Yeah, you probably got the cries thing from my section on the page at TCRF (my pastebin paste here). That would make sense, since my MissingNo. explanation thing was also on that page.

Yep. I took the cries audio from TCRF as you can see from the links in the pastebin. Also yeah used your pastebin as a base, iirc I found it by chance for some reason while searching for something related, but I don't exactly remember all the story. Didn't know who the creator was though, I just found it useful. I could've researched for that data myself but that pastebin already had all that I wanted anyway.

But anyways, do I have permission to use all or parts of this article in the TCRF page, paraphrased and/or verbatim?

Also yeah, go ahead! I don't mind myself, in fact having something of mine in TCRF would be pretty cool. I guess Smogon wouldn't care either, but chances are nobody in Smogon would notice if some parts of the article I wrote for Smog are in TCRF too.

Speaking of TCRF, I noticed that your article is extremely well-written; it's both well thought out, and very grammatically fluent: not too simple nor complex

Also thanks!

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