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#1 2012-12-08 20:20:08

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Hack idea: Royal Kingdom

I got this wild idea that might change plans about making another hack after Dark Energy.
Personally, I don't like how the beginning of DE has turned out because most work up to Argent Warehouse or so was simply me trying how different kind of things work. After that part of the game, storyline is starting to take more and more place in it. However, the story is still a bit cliche just due to that reason; not planning everything well from the beginning.

I have thought about canceling/quitting DE too but most likely won't because I really like how it's going to turn out in the end. Okay, but let's get to the point - what would this possible new hack be about? Funnily, it sounds quite similar to DE (Elemental Orbs <--> Crystals).


Intro sequence
Already in the 9th century, there were wars related to owning the Crystals. Those wars ended in year 903 in a meeting held together with the rulers of the royal kingdoms, and peace was concluded between the kingdoms.

The king of A (this A here stands for a name of a royal kingdom) suddenly dies in the year of 917 (he may had been poisoned, no one knows for sure...). The loss of the liked king leads onto the authority being moved to the queen of "A".

A little while (of time) passes until the queen finds herself a new man who is afterwards named the new king of "A" (this guy may have something to do with the death of the previous ruler). This new king is a good speaker but also a magician (there are other magicians in this world as well).

Three years later, the royal kingdom of A...
The new king: "People of A, I have something imporant to tell you which will affect you all. As you know, living in this world resorts to magic. The reason why so many of us know how to use it is based on the Crystals. Hidden, deep inside our castle is the Fire Crystal of which power gives us the possibility to use fire in our everyday lives. Of course we can also survive without it but for example the reason why we can't simply call Leviathan for help when dry season starts is because we can't use the powers of Water Crystal which happens to be sealed inside another castle in different royal kingdom.
In the recent discussions (between rulers of the kingdoms), has emerged discord between B (another name of a royal kingdom) and the other royal kingdoms like ours. I'm afraid they may hunger for the power of our "Fire Crystal" among with all other Crystals. The royal army of A isn't powerful enough to stand against that of B itself but if we get help elsewhere, we can make it! And so, I suggest us to... (and here is where the talk would end in the game as well)

The beginning
Two months later...
(Here P stands for the prince, S for his sister, K for the new king, and Q for the queen)

P: "That's it! I've had enough!"
Q: "What? What's the matter?"
P: "Father was concluding eternal peace 18 years ago! Now that K is taking it down seeking for something way different!
Q: "Take those words back! You know as well as I do that we need the powers of the Crystals to preserve our kingdom."
P: "I don't believe that man one bit! You can't see it but K isn't interested about the well-being of A at all! I wouldn't even be surprised if he had planned the death of father three years ago just to get to rule the kingdom.
Q: !! ... It's over now! You're not part of the royal family anymore.
P: ... So be it. I'll take off with S.
Q: !!
[P goes away]
Q: Hey! You're not taking S with you!

(Later on, Q talks with K about the leaving of the siblings and decide to send guards after them to get S back.
K: "About P, just kill him if you want I guess...")


The continuing of the game

S agrees to escape from the kingdom along with P. They decide to head together towards the nearest royal kingdom to clarify whether what K said to the people of A there is true. They run into trouble along the way by meeting up with some guards of royal kingdom of A but one way or another, make it to this nearest royal kingdom to talk about the ruler of this kingdom about K's speech. It seems K has made all that up, and while thinking of something to do about it, a guard of this royal kingdom runs to the throne room saying they're under attack of royal kingdom of A. And what would happen next?
Well, that's for you to find out if I ever get into starting this hack...


Characters

Prince (P) (main character)
Age: 17
Nature: Brave, smart, "hero"
Skills: Magic, summoning

Princess (S) (2nd main character)
Age: 15
Nature: Calm, smart
Skills: Magic, summoning

Queen (Q)
Age: 40 ?
Nature: Demanding, "Queen Brahne type of a person (FFIX)"
Skills: A bit of magic? Nothing to do with the hack really.

New King (K)
Age: 32 ?
Nature: Does anything to achieve what he wants, good speaker
Skills: Magically overwhelming

Dead king
Age: 50 ?
Nature: Good speaker, "liked person"


I was thinking about changing the item menu so that instead of using items, you would be using magic. These spells could possibly also be used to hurt your enemy; for example in the beginning, you could be able to cast Fire which would do affect the enemy like using Ember. Not sure if I can implement this but may be a possibility...
If not, I have to remove the possibility of using magic. You would be able to summon monsters though! In this hack, you'd be getting "pokemon" by defeating special ones called summons/aeons etc. Monsters could also be caught with "balls" but they wouldn't be as strong as these special species (summons).


Overall, tell me what you think about the story (and try to compare it to that of DE if possible). I have a feeling this hack could turn out good, I just have to figure a real good reason for the hunt behind getting all of the Crystals.

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#2 2012-12-09 12:36:17

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Re: Hack idea: Royal Kingdom

Anything to say about it? I probably won't start working on anything until I finish Dark Energy first and check out what's my situation in life then but if I do want to continue, I'd want to have a good storyline and most of the events and plot twists planned beforehand.

I've always thought pokemon games were lacking action; I'd like to include it in this hack from the start but not making things cliche like what may happen in DE.

If this idea doesn't sound that cool, I can of course try to pick up something else (as it took me only an hour or so to plan all this).

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#3 2012-12-09 14:27:38

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Re: Hack idea: Royal Kingdom

I think it is a bit too similiar to Final Fantasy, Miksy. I think you should change the crystal, too.

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#4 2012-12-09 14:52:34

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Re: Hack idea: Royal Kingdom

Solar wrote:

I think it is a bit too similiar to Final Fantasy, Miksy. I think you should change the crystal, too.

What do you mean by too similar ? Is the storyline too "unoriginal" comparing that to storyline of Final Fantasy IV for instance (which where I picked up the idea behind the crystals and such) ? If so, I could try to pick up something else as well.

But you may be right about that. If I decide to start another hack later on, I'll try to get help with the storyline first without trying to make it up on my own.

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#5 2012-12-09 16:15:44

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Re: Hack idea: Royal Kingdom

Questions
Hmm would enemies include monsters and humans?
Are you using a pokemon game for the hack?


Suggestions
If you are using a party system, maybe you could use the code from pokemon yellow that makes pikachu shift onto the screen rather than emerge from the pokeball.(this would be used for shifting from human to human)

You could make it people waging war with Pokemon, to save the trouble of making changes to certain pokemon.

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#6 2012-12-09 16:52:24

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Re: Hack idea: Royal Kingdom

Poketto... wrote:

Questions
Hmm would enemies include monsters and humans?
Are you using a pokemon game for the hack?

Yes, both humans and monsters. And this could be based on a different game as well but as far as I know, Square Enix doesn't like seeing their games hacked so hacking a pokemon game might be a better idea because of this reason as well (but I like it's build-in scripting system too). And of course making this with an RPG maker type of a program could also work out...

Poketto... wrote:

Suggestions
If you are using a party system, maybe you could use the code from pokemon yellow that makes pikachu shift onto the screen rather than emerge from the pokeball.(this would be used for shifting from human to human)

You could make it people waging war with Pokemon, to save the trouble of making changes to certain pokemon.

I was thinking of changing the battle system to work like this:

You can have either one or two humans in the party and at maximum 4 monsters (although 0 would do just fine as well). Everytime a battle starts, neither you nor the enemy would send out anything and the battle would begin right away using the battle sprites of main character (or one of the two humans in your party) and the enemy. Both of them could fight and if you wanted to switch to using a different party member (from slots 2 to 6), pokeball effect wouldn't take place. Game would be lost if both main characters would end up to 0 HP (although you could have monsters still in good health). All this would also require coding the party slots so that only members in slots 1 and 2 could be switched to one another, and same for slots from 3 to 6 (assuming you'd have two people in the party).

And you're right, new monsters wouldn't really be needed and pokemon could take their place as well.

But yeah, I'll think about whether or not to start doing this or something similar in the future when time is right. Until then, finishing DE is the only goal.

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#7 2012-12-09 23:46:20

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Re: Hack idea: Royal Kingdom

Miksy91 wrote:

What do you mean by too similar ? Is the storyline too "unoriginal" comparing that to storyline of Final Fantasy IV for instance (which where I picked up the idea behind the crystals and such) ? If so, I could try to pick up something else as well.

But you may be right about that. If I decide to start another hack later on, I'll try to get help with the storyline first without trying to make it up on my own.

Yes, it is. I think the element itself can do the work without crystals. I would like to give idea, but i'm limited by this barrier.

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#8 2012-12-10 07:10:18

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Re: Hack idea: Royal Kingdom

Solar wrote:
Miksy91 wrote:

What do you mean by too similar ? Is the storyline too "unoriginal" comparing that to storyline of Final Fantasy IV for instance (which where I picked up the idea behind the crystals and such) ? If so, I could try to pick up something else as well.

But you may be right about that. If I decide to start another hack later on, I'll try to get help with the storyline first without trying to make it up on my own.

Yes, it is. I think the element itself can do the work without crystals. I would like to give idea, but i'm limited by this barrier.

Yeah, I guess. It's quite difficult to try to develop something new on your own. I just hope players don't also dislike Dark Energy for the same reason as it is a bit similar to this kind of a storyline as well (not much though).

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#9 2012-12-10 08:43:06

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Check your e-mail. How about that?

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#10 2012-12-15 16:11:25

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Re: Hack idea: Royal Kingdom

I have one idea four yours new hack. If you want playing into night you need lantern or somting like that. Thats to mean you will replace HM FLASH whit a new unknown and of course great move. And I think lanterns efect will be similar whit a repels efect.  Lantern will bee key items he will be need's petrol our somting like that who burns and petrolium will be need to buy.
P.S If you understood then I,ll trying explanation beter but I hope all will be OK :-D:-D:-D

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#11 2013-07-25 16:28:27

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I have an idea at the characters. To make a new character Mystery Man, and he will come from the future to steal the crystal. invade the kingdom and kill the prince ,but it must be stopped by the prince. Do yo like my idea ?

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#12 2013-07-25 17:03:30

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Kings theme? It was similar to N which want became new world King. DEAD KING is like GHETSIS. Good speaker. <I remember that speak in Acumulla Town. That Epic speach about Liberate Pokemon>


http://hax.iimarck.us/topic/3435/ - Pokemon Ruby GEN V GRAPHIC hack Thread
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#13 2013-07-26 05:46:24

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In the beginning of the design for Pokemon, when the name Capsule Monsters was still being thrown around, a planned feature was for trainers to be more involved in Pokemon battles. They would fight along with their Pokemon and against opponents and their Pokemon. This idea was eventually scrapped, but it would be very interesting to see this conceptualized. Pokemon was original supposed to be much more akin to a traditional RPG. It sounds like this hack could create an alternative version where this is true. I'd like to play it. It would require a lot of work if you wanted to do it properly though.


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#14 2013-07-26 05:55:58

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http://www.glitterberri.com/pokemon-red … ncept-art/

Information about the early design of Pokemon and some artwork to go with.  A must-read for any serious ROM hacker, imo. Take special note of Page 5, 8, and 10. All interesting features that would make the game much more similar to a traditional RPG(staying at an inn, you fighting, buying your own equipment, ect). 11 is also interesting, as it shows an early Status screen. Just some food for thought :)


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#15 2013-07-26 06:25:57

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Re: Hack idea: Royal Kingdom

This hack won't be done guys. It was just an idea which I once thought of possibly doing, but that's all.

The Zororoaster, cool to know they were actually thinking of making the games function like that.
It'd be realistic (though kids wouldn't probably like it that way, or who knows, maybe they would?) if for example when all of your pokemon fainted, the trainer had to fight himself in the end. He wouldn't even need to have stats that would raise by getting more EXP. Instead, like you mentioned there, he could become stronger by getting him better equipment at Weapon/Armor shops.
And if the trainer fainted, Game Over.

Would be pretty cool if somebody actually implemented this in a pokemon hack. Since it's really no way impossible to do.

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#16 2013-07-26 08:46:22

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It is definitely a pretty cool idea. I kind of figured it wouldn't be an idea you actually make though :P And the thought of a Final Fantasy/Pokemon fusion actually really interests me. It is definitely not impossible at all. But in terms of game design and technical skill, it would be very difficult to pull of correctly.


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#17 2013-07-26 08:56:08

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Re: Hack idea: Royal Kingdom

The Zororoaster wrote:

It is definitely a pretty cool idea. I kind of figured it wouldn't be an idea you actually make though :P And the thought of a Final Fantasy/Pokemon fusion actually really interests me. It is definitely not impossible at all. But in terms of game design and technical skill, it would be very difficult to pull of correctly.

My Dark Energy rom hack is made to be more RPG like. The storyline is similar to that of generic RPG games (so it's really not that good but "okay", I guess), but so is the gameplay. It's very different from what you're used to with original pokemon games, and most rom hacks.
And even so, "it works" :)

The Zororoaster wrote:

But in terms of game design and technical skill, it would be very difficult to pull of correctly.

I don't see it being that difficult really!
When you're supposed to black out, you'd just have to code it to make it so that trainer appears to the battle screen, loads stats for him (this would be easy) through some pattern, and make him a similar character in the battle field as pokemon are.

Also, do similar checks in the start of the battle (so check if all your pokemon are fainted or not).
And beside these, modify the blackout routine so that blackout/game over occurs only when this character faints as well.

It would require assembly coding, but I see it being totally doable. Not that I could do it myself yet, but when you've got the general idea in mind, you just have to think of all the possible routines you need to modify and write your own stuff here and there.

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#18 2013-07-26 09:02:35

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Re: Hack idea: Royal Kingdom

Miksy91 wrote:

My Dark Energy rom hack is made to be more RPG like. The storyline is similar to that of generic RPG games (so it's really not that good but "okay", I guess), but so is the gameplay. It's very different from what you're used to with original pokemon games, and most rom hacks.
And even so, "it works" :)

"Works" is an understatement. Its awesome!(as for the story...well, its the GBC, hard to get in a deep philosophical statement in the storyline). It has been a beta or two since I last played it, I think I need to run through it again. But you put a ton of effort into that game, right? Definitely more than the average person would be willing to. It is hard to pull off because you are basically re-defining the whole game. The end result is definitely worth it though!

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#19 2013-07-26 09:12:38

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Re: Hack idea: Royal Kingdom

The Zororoaster wrote:

"Works" is an understatement. Its awesome!(as for the story...well, its the GBC, hard to get in a deep philosophical statement in the storyline). It has been a beta or two since I last played it, I think I need to run through it again. But you put a ton of effort into that game, right? Definitely more than the average person would be willing to. It is hard to pull off because you are basically re-defining the whole game. The end result is definitely worth it though!

Well, the current beta 4 is something totally ridiculous (in a good way!).

Beta 2 was "bad", beta 3 was something I was already really contended with, but this new one turned out even much better. Beside the fact that I learned even more and more during the time, and was so able to script pretty much anything I wanted, I also took time improving lots of stuff in the beginning of the game to make it also more enjoyable and to "lure people in there".

Download it and see for yourself ;)

As for what you said in the other thread, Dark Energy is a huge project indeed. By now, I've already written more content in terms of scripts, texts, mapping and such in it than there was in original Pokemon Silver I think. Yet, the hack is still only 60% done or so...
I should have actually left some areas out of the hack since they don't really have to be there. For example places like Area 105, or Mt. Lima just don't have to be in the hack since no storyline events take place there. But by the time I was creating them, the idea about "how to implement this and that" wasn't clear yet.

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#20 2013-07-26 18:17:54

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In my ears, hack sounds middle- age based hack, but i like your idea!


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#21 2013-07-28 00:24:15

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WOW!!! The storyline is verry interesting, miksy! When the prince escape with his sister, it sound like Final Fantasy (or maybe Dragon Warrior), that was cool (like nostalgia or something). XD

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