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#1 2011-11-26 05:53:06

koolboyman
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Pokemon Hacks on your Resume?

As the years go by, software engineering positions especially with video games are getting more and more competitive.  I want to make sure my resume really stands out from other people, but at the same time I don't want it to hurt it.  ROM Hacking is still pretty taboo with people who don't fully understand it, but I see it getting more accepted by people as the years go by, especially quality ROM Hacks.

So I was considering putting Pokemon Brown and Pokemon Prism on my resume to help strengthen it as another way to see my game design and reverse engineering skills.  The success of these hacks might help too, pretty much all the press and feedback towards these games have been positive. 

What do you think?

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#2 2011-11-26 06:17:53

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Re: Pokemon Hacks on your Resume?

I don't think there's really any way for them to prove that you created Brown and Prism. I mean besides you showing them your website accounts or something, which most companies won't bother to do.


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#3 2011-11-26 06:19:29

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Re: Pokemon Hacks on your Resume?

It's hard to say. Like you said, ROM hacking is still pretty "taboo" to people who aren't "in the know" about it. I feel like to the right people, those would strengthen your resume. But to the wrong people, they might see "hacking" and it would send up a black flag with a skull and crossbones on it. I really don't know what to say on this one.

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#4 2011-11-26 06:44:13

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Re: Pokemon Hacks on your Resume?

Anyone with a brain would know this isn't right...YOU'RE WORKING ON SOMEONE ELSES WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!!

That said, there would be copyright issues too. So bottom line..no sir, i would not suggest doing what you're aspiring to do.


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#5 2011-11-26 07:11:22

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Re: Pokemon Hacks on your Resume?

As far as hacks I'm not too sure, but this talks about homebrew. I find it somewhat relevant.


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#6 2011-11-26 07:27:42

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Re: Pokemon Hacks on your Resume?

homebrew is making your own programs, hacks are using another's resource and often without permission...so i wouldn't catargized in the same stature.


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#7 2011-11-26 08:34:12

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Re: Pokemon Hacks on your Resume?

Why don't you let the OP determine if he feels it's relevant to his thread instead of just posting your own opinions as facts?


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#8 2011-11-26 09:47:54

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Re: Pokemon Hacks on your Resume?

tysonrss wrote:

Anyone with a brain would know this isn't right...YOU'RE WORKING ON SOMEONE ELSES WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!!

That said, there would be copyright issues too. So bottom line..no sir, i would not suggest doing what you're aspiring to do.

That's what I thought at first. 

However like I said, over the years I've noticed ROM hacking getting more widely accepted.  My works have been getting press.  Even though the press is less than impressive to other kinds of works, I'm surprised my works have gotten ANY press at all, and I hope that not only my works continue to gain press, but great hackers everywhere get some as well.  Hackers of all kinds of games.  As for proving I made Prism, I believe that is easy to prove if companies have any doubt. 

As for copyright issues, some of the people who worked on Banjo-Kazooie know damn well what I'm doing to their game and they think it's cool and support it.   Maybe I'm just lucky that the guys at Rare are nice guys, but I dunno.  I've talked to reliable people within the video game industry with strong reputations about my works this year (I go to a monthly game dev meetup as well as other get together to build professional relationships).  All of these people know I'm working on something without their permission.  They understand I am not claiming ownership of Pokemon, they only care about the changes I made to the game. 

But I digress, the above has only made me question whether I should include it at all or not.  I do have a linkedin site with zero mention of my ROM hacking history and the popularity of my works compared to other ROM hacks.  Like Mateo said, for some people it could help, others it could hurt.  I'm working on two games (One is already on Xbox Live Indie Games made by someone else and I am in charge of the updates for it),

Those two will strongly help my resume and fill my portfolio, but I'm still scared of the future.  Back in 2008, I tried to move out again while in school.  I applied for literally hundreds of entry level jobs, only got a few interviews, and the only job I got was a temporary three week job at a local county fairgrounds.

Maybe I rambled on too much, but I'm just trying to get people to understand my position.  Maybe I can wait a few years before deciding, I'm already booked with contract work until at least mid 2012 so I'm in good standing for now.

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#9 2011-11-26 11:50:47

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Re: Pokemon Hacks on your Resume?

Relating to your last sentence, I think you should wait a little while before releasing any information about you being the maker of Brown and Prism. I can't really say more to this myself...

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#10 2011-11-26 13:46:42

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Re: Pokemon Hacks on your Resume?

I'm currently an intern in a very small computer assistance and software development society, and in the interview I mentioned my ROM hacking activity under the definition of "reverse engineering of old 8 bit consoles and SHARP-z80 coding/programming": it was received pretty well, the guy also answered saying he used to do it too, when he was younger. So, yeah, I find that what I said can be a good ("politically correct") definition of ROM hacking to be used in resumes and interviews, without risking that it is interpreted as some pirate activity.

And if I were to put some sample of my RH work in a portfolio I would also put some ASM coding I wrote for my hack, along with comments and a description of what it does.

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#11 2011-11-26 15:46:45

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Re: Pokemon Hacks on your Resume?

Sawakita wrote:

I'm currently an intern in a very small computer assistance and software development society, and in the interview I mentioned my ROM hacking activity under the definition of "reverse engineering of old 8 bit consoles and SHARP-z80 coding/programming": it was received pretty well, the guy also answered saying he used to do it too, when he was younger. So, yeah, I find that what I said can be a good ("politically correct") definition of ROM hacking to be used in resumes and interviews, without risking that it is interpreted as some pirate activity.

This is pretty much exactly what I put on my résumé. This kind of material is so valuable that I would find some way to mention it even if not in detail. Anyone who is curious enough to press for details probably wouldn’t be turned off by the legal implications as long as you don’t mention them.

Of course, you should try other things, so you can put other experience on there too. I include robotics, FPGAs, web design, and open‐source development on my résumé.

#12 2011-11-27 11:15:33

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Re: Pokemon Hacks on your Resume?

idol,i think its best that you first program your own game. That will be recognized by the whole world. Then you will see :D


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#13 2011-11-29 23:02:30

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Re: Pokemon Hacks on your Resume?

Thanks for the insight everyone.  I guess I'll just be smart about it. 

Just to let you know, I'm not solely relying on Pokemon hacks to help me get a full time once I'm done with school.  I'm working on some great projects with some very talented people right now and I'm already getting paid to do so.  That's all I might need anyway, even though I probably wouldn't be here if it weren't for Pokemon.

As far as I know, the big project I'm working on will be announced sometime in the first quarter of 2012.  It's very different from my Pokemon hacks.  I hope you all like it.  I'll be putting the finishing updates to Kobold's Quest this December and move onto another Xbox Live Indie.

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#14 2011-11-29 23:55:40

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Re: Pokemon Hacks on your Resume?

Just tell them you're good at making GB games. And know the programming for it well.


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