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#1 2013-02-09 05:45:06

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Other Retro Games

I figured this is a safe place to discuss some of the other best games from the 90's.
Some of my favorite games of all time are Doom, Doom II, Duke Nukem 3D, Wolfenstein 3D, Quake.
But there are the games that I never got to try out, the Heretic and Hexen games. I only have vague memories of my dad playing them all the time when I was little.
I decided I wanted to play through those games now so I had to look into things and I got DosBox to work pretty easily. And I downloaded a few games.
But then I noticed they were all labelled as shareware, which is a demo or trial of some kind. I don't want to have chopped-up, incomplete games..
Does someone know of a great website that has all these games with a full version? So far, I've looked at www.dosgamesarchive.com, www.myabandonware.com, and www.dosgames.com.
None of these have a full collection and I don't know if some of these are the full version or not.
Is there some complete website that has everything I'll need that I can trust is the official, full version?

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#2 2013-02-09 06:02:41

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Re: Other Retro Games

goodoldgames has plenty of older games, usually with built-in dos emulation and redone manuals

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#3 2013-02-09 06:54:00

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Re: Other Retro Games

I've seen gog before and it's not what I'm looking for. It doesn't have any of the those games. All it has is Duke Nukem.
And the real problem is that alot of places offer shareware, or trials, of these games. And gog sells them.
Where can I simply download them and know I'm getting the real deal? Like coolrom.com for gb games.

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#4 2013-02-09 06:57:37

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i think you know what the modern-day coolrom is for things that aren't roms

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#5 2013-02-09 14:58:39

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Re: Other Retro Games

When you'll have the full version already, i recommend you using ZDoom instead of Dosbox. Zdoom can have bigger resolution, and faster framerate. (And is better and all.)


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#6 2013-02-10 03:48:00

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Re: Other Retro Games

comet wrote:

i think you know what the modern-day coolrom is for things that aren't roms

Enlighten me?

mallo wrote:

When you'll have the full version already, i recommend you using ZDoom instead of Dosbox. Zdoom can have bigger resolution, and faster framerate. (And is better and all.)

Is it a general DOS mode emulator, or is it built specifically for DOOM?

Also, part of my confusion as to why it isn't so simple to download all these games is because these games' source codes are all released in the GNU General Public Lisence. So I don't understand why id and Raven themselves are still selling these games on their website, and I don't get why these games can't be so easily completely downloaded for free legally.

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#7 2013-02-10 08:06:15

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Re: Other Retro Games

ZDoom is for Doom engine games. Full list of them here. It also have cool things for wad creators, like ability to create own objects and cutscenes and all...

I didn't saw the code, but if I'm not wrong, you need original game's WAD (Where All data is, except game code), to run compiled game.


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#8 2013-05-02 20:54:30

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Re: Other Retro Games

not in this site, but:

someone wrote:

80C is maybe one of the only old-thread reviver

that's true... this thread caught my attention.

Other Ole School Games I know are Telefang 1 (I know it came out in 2000, but its developement started in 1999, so it's a kind '90s game), like also Metal Gear Ghost Babel (another game that came out in 2000 but its developement started in latest 1998\early 1999) & Legend of Zelda series (I only hear d about this, some of my school mates said it was amazing).


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#9 2013-05-05 04:38:56

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I’m a little late, but:

Danny-E 33 wrote:

Also, part of my confusion as to why it isn't so simple to download all these games is because these games' source codes are all released in the GNU General Public Lisence. So I don't understand why id and Raven themselves are still selling these games on their website, and I don't get why these games can't be so easily completely downloaded for free legally.

For id’s games, the game engine itself is free, but the game reads level data and such from external files, and those files are not free, so you have to buy a copy.

In general, I don’t think GOG sells trials, only full games.

#10 2013-05-05 21:32:19

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Interesting. To my understanding, when Heretic was originally released, it came with 3 episodes when you purchased the game. Then the Shadow of the Serpent Riders expansion gave you two new episodes if you bought it. And now I think the original version of the game that came with 3 episodes is considered the free trial version and the original expansion pack is considered the full commercial version. Is that accurate?

Also the DoomWiki on Heretic says:
"On September 4, 2008, the source code for both games [Heretic and Hexen] was rereleased under the GPL"
So is that referring to just the source code of the engine?

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#11 2013-05-06 00:05:16

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Danny-E 33 wrote:

Interesting. To my understanding, when Heretic was originally released, it came with 3 episodes when you purchased the game. Then the Shadow of the Serpent Riders expansion gave you two new episodes if you bought it. And now I think the original version of the game that came with 3 episodes is considered the free trial version and the original expansion pack is considered the full commercial version. Is that accurate?

Maybe. I’m not all that familiar with the history of these FPSs.

Danny-E 33 wrote:

Also the DoomWiki on Heretic says:
"On September 4, 2008, the source code for both games [Heretic and Hexen] was rereleased under the GPL"
So is that referring to just the source code of the engine?

Yes, but there are shareware WADs still available for both of those.

#12 2013-05-06 18:49:53

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I just find it bizzare that they are still trying to make money off of games that old. Are they ever going to be completely free?

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#13 2013-05-06 19:29:36

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Danny-E 33 wrote:

Are they ever going to be completely free?

No.

One of my friends found in sell a 20 years old game at E2.99 and a 12 years old game at E0.01... this means, even if they're old and over-used, they'll make always have a prize, no money, no gain, and they won't ever accept to sell things freely.


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