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#1 1970-01-01 00:33:30

mewthree9000
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The PKMN Hacking WAR.

Oh my God, fellow hackers... I don't know who is on what side at this point. But there is a fair rivalry going on between PC and M3I/PHO.

I had a massive rant on PC about how the hackers were untalented.
How we should strive to be better. After getting disrespected by a mod.

I teamed up with CBM and ZodiacDaGreat on an idea to form a super community for PKMN hacking to flourish. We got up with Black Charizard and the leaders of PHO. We formed a concept.

Right now we are trying to get the new site up. PC infractured me for having a PHO banner in my sig! They also deleted the VM's to my team, concerning the banner.

The Rant:
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.p … stcount=26

The Meaning:
http://interdpth.arc-nova.org/M3IEX/inde....rt_from=&ucat=&


The goal here is to create a better M3I by having unity. If any classic hackers remember the old days at Mew3.inc you know what it was like to be a fun community. You also know it helped many grow.

I'm finally sick of letting PC take over... I faith in them before, but now they have proven to me this isn't the answer.

All the real hackers take refuge in other places, outcasts. While n00bs with no talent take the spotlight.

If I have to take them down, I will.

This is a war. Flamez will rein.

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#2 1970-01-01 00:33:30

Miksy91
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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.

I like what you pointed out in that thread then, just couldn't reply anymore as it was already closed...

I'll think of joining there, however I won't leave PC either :|

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#3 1970-01-01 00:33:30

Cartmic
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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.


Oh my God, fellow hackers... I don't know who is on what side at this point. But there is a fair rivalry going on between PC and M3I/PHO.

I had a massive rant on PC about how the hackers were untalented.
How we should strive to be better. After getting disrespected by a mod.

Right now we are trying to get the new site up. PC infractured me for having a PHO banner in my sig! They also deleted the VM's to my team, concerning the banner.


I'm finally sick of letting PC take over... I faith in them before, but now they have proven to me this isn't the answer.

All the real hackers take refuge in other places, outcasts. While n00bs with no talent take the spotlight.

PC has been going down hill for years, becoming more and more communistic each year, runs parallels to the Government thats just lost the recent election(yey!) here in England.

If I had to choose between two sides I wouldn't think twice about completely leaving PC.

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#4 1970-01-01 00:33:30

Mateo
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Registered: 2009-11-25
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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.

I may as well have left it already. I can't remember the last time i posted there regularly, don't even still have it bookmarked, and rarely care to go there unless it's to read a post someone linked to.

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#5 1970-01-01 00:33:30

Gamer2020
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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.

PC has been trash for years. I'm glad people are finally trying something.
Anyway I can help let me know.

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#6 1970-01-01 00:33:30

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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.

I think this is not the right way to solve the problem.

Pokecommunity is the biggest Pokemon hacking forum around. We all know this. Posting or visiting there is pretty much a necessity if you want more eyes on your work.

The atmosphere there is not ideal. We all know this too. Talking about it won't change it. What will change it? Consistently posting high-quality hacks, tools, and documentation there. Will Pokecommunity ever become a super-high-quality hacking community? No, just like Serebii.net will never have good fanfiction. However, that doesn't mean that everything there is worthless.

Making new forums just increases fragmentation of the already-sparse hacking info on the net. This is counterproductive.

Personally, I used to visit Pokecommunity, make (IMHO) useful and informative posts, and gently nudge people to Twilight Hacking (then later Skeetendo) through signature links and the aforementioned useful posts. I still think that this is the best and most effective approach. The people who care about GSC, who care about making high-quality hacks, who care about writing good documentation -- these people are the ones who will notice that Pokecommunity doesn't have the best information, and will move to better places.

mewthree9000 wrote:

All the real hackers take refuge in other places, outcasts. While n00bs with no talent take the spotlight.

This is simply untrue. Would you call Prism unrecognized? It won hack of the year! The good hacks have plenty of recognition. The good threads get approved and stickied.

As for M3I in particular: I'm not really inclined to visit a site where news posts have fifty comments spamming car insurance.

The forum is done all wrong. When you make a forum, never add a bunch of categories and subcategories and expect to fill them up! Field of Dreams was a movie, not an example to live by. If you make a forum, people will not magically fill it with content. Forums with no posts tend to have no posts forever.

Programming board, 0 posts plus two empty subforums. Fanart board, 2 posts. Fanfics board, 0 posts. Anime board, 6 posts. How about ROM hacking, the supposed focus of the forum? Gen 1 hacking board, 0 posts plus two empty subforums. Gen 2 hacking board, 0 posts plus two empty subforums. Gen 3 hacking board, 5 posts plus one empty subforum. Gen 4 hacking board, 0 posts plus two empty subforums. Why do you expect people to move to a board with no content?

The real way to start a forum is to make a few boards, fill them with content, and make more boards when you need them. You should have made your board with "General talk" "Gen 1/2" "Gen 3/4" "Video games/Anime" and nothing else. When those subforums get happenin', people will think "hey, this is an active forum and I like to go here because there's always new content." That makes them post more. That makes more people think it's active, and you get more and more posts and more and more activity. That is how a new forum succeeds.

Free hosting? Ads everywhere? Get real. If you cared about your website you'd pay $10 a year for a good domain name. When the site's owner doesn't make interesting posts, clear out spam, or put any money into a website, why should I even take a second look?

Merging with PHO? Nothing against GC (he's a cool guy), but PHO was only marginally better than Pokecommunity. Its advantage was administrators who cared enough to properly moderate the site. That makes it the best alternative to Pokecommunity I've seen, and I hope it continues to do well. This M3I just isn't of the same class.

I'm deliberately using harsh language here. You propose leaving Pokecommunity, and can't make a competent alternative? If you want people to switch, you need to make your site flawless. You need to fill it with cool info nobody else has. You need to make something that's so good it can't be criticized, because otherwise you will live in obscurity as yet-another-five-minute-forum-setup.

#7 1970-01-01 00:33:30

mewthree9000
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Registered: 2010-10-16
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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.


I think this is not the right way to solve the problem.

Pokecommunity is the biggest Pokemon hacking forum around. We all know this. Posting or visiting there is pretty much a necessity if you want more eyes on your work.

The atmosphere there is not ideal. We all know this too. Talking about it won't change it. What will change it? Consistently posting high-quality hacks, tools, and documentation there. Will Pokecommunity ever become a super-high-quality hacking community? No, just like Serebii.net will never have good fanfiction. However, that doesn't mean that everything there is worthless.

Making new forums just increases fragmentation of the already-sparse hacking info on the net. This is counterproductive.

Personally, I used to visit Pokecommunity, make (IMHO) useful and informative posts, and gently nudge people to Twilight Hacking (then later Skeetendo) through signature links and the aforementioned useful posts. I still think that this is the best and most effective approach. The people who care about GSC, who care about making high-quality hacks, who care about writing good documentation -- these people are the ones who will notice that Pokecommunity doesn't have the best information, and will move to better places.


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All the real hackers take refuge in other places, outcasts. While n00bs with no talent take the spotlight.

This is simply untrue. Would you call Prism unrecognized? It won hack of the year! The good hacks have plenty of recognition. The good threads get approved and stickied.

As for M3I in particular: I'm not really inclined to visit a site where news posts have fifty comments spamming car insurance.

The forum is done all wrong. When you make a forum, never add a bunch of categories and subcategories and expect to fill them up! Field of Dreams was a movie, not an example to live by. If you make a forum, people will not magically fill it with content. Forums with no posts tend to have no posts forever.

Programming board, 0 posts plus two empty subforums. Fanart board, 2 posts. Fanfics board, 0 posts. Anime board, 6 posts. How about ROM hacking, the supposed focus of the forum? Gen 1 hacking board, 0 posts plus two empty subforums. Gen 2 hacking board, 0 posts plus two empty subforums. Gen 3 hacking board, 5 posts plus one empty subforum. Gen 4 hacking board, 0 posts plus two empty subforums. Why do you expect people to move to a board with no content?

The real way to start a forum is to make a few boards, fill them with content, and make more boards when you need them. You should have made your board with "General talk" "Gen 1/2" "Gen 3/4" "Video games/Anime" and nothing else. When those subforums get happenin', people will think "hey, this is an active forum and I like to go here because there's always new content." That makes them post more. That makes more people think it's active, and you get more and more posts and more and more activity. That is how a new forum succeeds.

Free hosting? Ads everywhere? Get real. If you cared about your website you'd pay $10 a year for a good domain name. When the site's owner doesn't make interesting posts, clear out spam, or put any money into a website, why should I even take a second look?

Merging with PHO? Nothing against GC (he's a cool guy), but PHO was only marginally better than Pokecommunity. Its advantage was administrators who cared enough to properly moderate the site. That makes it the best alternative to Pokecommunity I've seen, and I hope it continues to do well. This M3I just isn't of the same class.

I'm deliberately using harsh language here. You propose leaving Pokecommunity, and can't make a competent alternative? If you want people to switch, you need to make your site flawless. You need to fill it with cool info nobody else has. You need to make something that's so good it can't be criticized, because otherwise you will live in obscurity as yet-another-five-minute-forum-setup.

Ugh, I never said I wanted to take over or that my site was better. Coolboyman hates PokeCommunity as well, that's why he's part of this movement.

Maybe you should stop PMSing and read the posts before you make another smart remark. I'm on edge with stuck up assholes like you. Maybe if there were less of you then we could actually accomplish something.

I'm done playing games with people who ignore everything they don't feel concerns them, then generate lies based on their own little universes.

My site doesn't concern anybody because it is merging with PHO. IF YOU HAD READ ANYTHING YOU WOULD KNOW THAT. It's only serving as a check point at the moment.

How can you blame me for advertisements I didn't even put up there? I guess you just want to find every excuse you can to make something negative. Maybe I'll just take all of them and shove them down your big mouth.

If you want to be negative and stupid, go to PokeCommunity and do it.

I'm sick of stupid crap.
*eats piece of cheese*

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#8 1970-01-01 00:33:30

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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.


Maybe you should stop PMSing and read the posts before you make another smart remark.

I'm on edge with stuck up assholes like you.

Maybe if there were less of you then we could actually accomplish something.

I'm done playing games with people who ignore everything they don't feel concerns them,

then generate lies based on their own little universes.

I guess you just want to find every excuse you can to make something negative.

Maybe I'll just take all of them and shove them down your big mouth.

If you want to be negative and stupid, go to PokeCommunity and do it.

I don't even need to say anything. This speaks for itself.

#9 1970-01-01 00:33:30

mewthree9000
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Registered: 2010-10-16
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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.


Maybe you should stop PMSing and read the posts before you make another smart remark.



If you want to be negative and stupid, go to PokeCommunity and do it.

I don't even need to say anything. This speaks for itself.


Indeed ^_^

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#10 1970-01-01 00:33:30

Mateo
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Registered: 2009-11-25
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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.

I hate to say it, but let's please try to calm this down and not turn this into a flamewar made entirely of quoting each other. As amusing as the concept is, I'd hate to have to lock this because of it.

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#11 1970-01-01 00:33:30

sky_queen3
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From: Australia
Registered: 2010-10-16
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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.

Why can't both sites get along? :|


Redux is 'on hold'. I have however found the files, but it's still (pretty much) dead at the moment.
I wonder if that's actually a good thing...

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#12 1970-01-01 00:33:30

ayato
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Registered: 2010-10-16
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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.

wait wait my homesite and pokecommunity is at war? I didn't know that, I love PHO, and pokecommunity might have some trolls I might no like so much but it's alright I think that the war stopped

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#13 1970-01-01 00:33:30

~Red
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Registered: 2010-10-16
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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.

I agree with most of your points, but Coolboyman didn't even seem to know about this war at all. It just sounds like you're a little butthurt to me. Sure, pokecommunity ROM hacking is on the downhill, but no need to go screaming at every ROM hacker there. To me, they aren't ROM hackers at all. So I don't bother with them. There's about 2 hackers on there I'm interested in, and that's Coolboyman and Myksi. But don't feed the fire.

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#14 2010-10-23 04:34:28

mewthree9000
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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.

Lol, well nothing is better than a little competition to wake up a dying community. I mean it's not a big deal, there always has to be a challenge and I'm looking to make it.

Everyone has their own sides, but I have too many people that agree with me to stop now. CBM just happens to be someone who agrees with my points. If it were up to me Skeetendo would be one of the main sites, I love it here, it's very homey. It reminds me of the old days.

Moving along...
Things have changed a little since my initial post. I'm now holding a boot-camp at mew3.inc. You can visit for more info at http://interdpth.arc-nova.org/M3IEX/ind … om=&ucat=& . It's a newbie training program, my plan so far includes using TeamViewer for the 1-on-1 training. More info will be posted soon. So if you know any newbies, send em over. Though the training is purely GBA, it's what I know the most of.

I'll just improve the knowledge of the community 1 at a time if I can, until I get sick of it XD

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#15 2010-10-24 02:50:36

koolboyman
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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.

Here's what I really feel about this whole situation.

Most of the PC users expect instant gratification (programs), and make hacks based on what people want, instead of making hacks based on what the author wants.  There's way way too many G/S/C remakes, and people are still making them even though HG/SS is out.  Several other hacks are just the same old tired shit, instead of doing something new and unique in the world of Pokemon hacking (such as Brown back in 2004, and Prism now).  These "hackers" rely solely on programs that other people made instead of figuring out how to do things for themselves.  They don't want to learn, they just want to be spoonfed programs so they can make hacks they know will be popular.  There's a few good hacks on PC (Besides the ones I made), but most just don't do anything special and aren't worth downloading.  Most people just say "wow great job" to ALL hacks and don't even explain why the hack is good (I hate that even when it's directed towards my hacks), and people there also get defensive when people criticize them.  I love it when people give constructive criticize Brown and Prism, because they can always better. 

I want to learn, I want to get better, but these people don't.  Almost everything I know about hacking, I've taught myself or did research to find the answers for myself.  People on PC are like this:

"I'm going to edit Pokemon! Ok so I want to edit maps, let me use a program to edit maps. Ok I want to edit the starter Pokemon. Are there are any programs to edit those? Good I can edit those! Oh I want players to be able to change their sprite whenever they want! Is there a program or a source file to add that? No? Damn, I guess that won't be a feature in my hack! What about a second town map in Emerald, is there a program to put that in? No? I guess I'll only have one region in my hack!"

When I wanted to do something that nobody else has done, I had to figure it out myself, instead of letting my hack's quality suffer because someone didn't do it for me.

And the simple fact that I just believe that the community there is just unintelligent.  I keep getting questions about how to patch a ROM even though the instructions are provided in a readme.txt that is provided with Prism's download.  People assume I use programs for everything too, it's quite frustrating that people don't understand that making Prism was NOT an easy task, and it goes beyond learning how to do things myself, such as good game design, something that I think I'm lacking in but trying to improve.

Last edited by koolboyman (2010-10-24 02:59:59)

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#16 2010-10-25 20:10:50

sonicblazeplatinum
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Registered: 2010-10-16
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Re: The PKMN Hacking WAR.

In my opinion there are good ROM Hackers on Pokecommunity besides Koolboyman and Miksy91. They are Frostbite, destinedjagold, WesleyFG, Hiroshi Sotamora, 12345, metapod23, Magneto & Andy. I do have to admit they all made Gen. 3 hacks but some are better than others. In fact Frostbite happens to be my favorite ROM Hacker since he has Hoenn music, an unexpected plot, some default Fire Red & Emerald tiles, it took a year for a beta to be released, and a good plot. Now as for the GSC remakes the only good ones besides HGSS are Pokemon Crystal Dust and that's IT. I can't understand how Pokemon Liquid Crystal is liked too much. Now yes when I ROM Hack now I will focus on tools but if I come back to them there will be new things... I will learn how to hex edit since I will hack Gold/Silver and Red versions later on. I don't really mind ROM Hackers that use tools or ROM Hackers that have hex editing and ASM skills. They're both good in my free opinion. But when I release beta 1 of my Enerald ROM Hack it will be bad at first and hopefully get a WHOLE LOT BETTER later. I do disagree with Masterge77's like for tools in GSC/RBY ROM Hacks.

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