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#1 2012-04-13 11:17:27

ReadCutting-T
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Registered: 2012-04-12
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A Unified Pokedex? "UPDATED"

One of my favourite parts about pokemon is the trading, however with Rom-Hacking this is a bit of an issue as people like overwriting some pokemon, adding fakemon and the like. Its very rare though that someone will add all possible pokemon in their game. I was thinking that if a 'certificate' was made for participants, games displaying it will be able to freely trade with each other. I only plan on having a hundred or so pokemon in my hack with 25 'Fakemon'. If other people do this, accounting for overlap between included pokemon and the like. I think at least 5 games could be made by hackers with there share of unique pokemon, which can added to the code of other games so that you HAVE to trade to 'catch em all'.

This is just an idea, I know a few people don't like trading and maybe it will be too hard too organise. Any input or feedback would be great. I know the explenation is poor, but I can clarify parts if you request it.

If your worried about Fakemon, hopefully my sprites look ok enough for you do consider them to be included in your hack behind the scenes.
These are just examples, they probably won't be used.

Original Pachirisu Sprite:
parachisuiq31co6.gif

Yanmega Downgrades:
yanmegaqp5.png
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OW sprites:
owft8.png
owlh9.png

A fakemon:
silverib6.png

Bear in mind these are a few years old.

Thanks!

ReadCutting-T

Update:

Here's an example for clarification I my idea, as the concept is simple and so is its execution. Just so long it can be organised.
Lets say we have two Rom-Hackers, Rom hacker X and Rom hacker Y and they both decide to make their own hacks with new pokemon.
They are hacking silver and they both decide they want the player to able to catch 151 Pokemon which would be natively available in there own hacks (for simplicity lets assume they are all Fakemon). 
eg. Player Z who downloads the hacks, will be able to catch 151 pokemon in one hack, but will have to trade with the other game to complete the full pokedex.

To accomplish this, Hacker X has gold as their base, and overwrites the first 126 pokemon in the game. (001-126)

They then send this 'base' to Hacker Y, who overwrites the next 126 pokemon in the game. (127-252)

Hacker Y sends this base to Hacker X, and they both use this to start their hacks. They decide that Hacker X will make the first 151 pokemon available for capture in their hack(eg: 001-151), and Hacker Y will make the next 150 pokemon available in their hack (eg: 101-252).

Now, the regional Pokedex orders can be re-jiggled to make it seem more natural, but as long as the pokemon data isn't touched anymore (or if one Hacker does decide to change a value they notify the other Hacker). When the games are completed they will be completely cross-compatible!

Obviously there are other ways to achieve the same effect, and the more people that get involved the less 'exclusive' some pokemon would be. But if a Thread was made listing all pokemon in order, and each Hacker claimed ownerhip of a section of the 'pokedex' with the requirement that a third of the pokemon they make can be made natively available in other Rom-Hacks. There could be a group of lets-say 6 hacks, each with about 20 completely unique Pokemon ONLY available in that hack (including a legendary), but a total of 150 pokemon available  to catch.  Players will then be able to get the 'other' unique pokemon into there game by trading. And it lets say there were less pokemon available to catch, then more of the pokemon on each individual game would be unique.

I know some people don't like trading with roms (the amount of 'can u plz make it so pokemon evovle without trading, thnx!' on forums is a testament to that.)

I love trading and if anyone is on the same page as me, I would love to work on a project like this.

Sorry about the constant repeating of what I have said before, I just don't know how well I'm communicating my idea!

Last edited by ReadCutting-T (2012-04-13 22:36:16)

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#2 2012-04-13 13:55:46

Miksy91
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Re: A Unified Pokedex? "UPDATED"

A good idea but difficult to implement.
Then again, why not make two hacks that are mostly the same (like Red and Blue) with different pokemon so you can trade between them?
This way, this could actually be gone through.

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#3 2012-04-13 14:06:28

ReadCutting-T
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Re: A Unified Pokedex? "UPDATED"

Yeah, I was thinking about that. When KoolBoyMan originally made Brown, he included Mew and excluded Mewtwo and a few other Pokemon so you 'had' to trade with the 'real' pokemon games to complete the pokedex. Since the 'update' you can't trade with red anymore obviously, but he did patch gold and silver so that johto pokemon can be traded between it Brown. In fact, how hard/easy so you think it would be to add the extra Pokemon in Brown to Red, Blue and Yellow?

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#4 2012-04-13 19:21:11

stag019
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Registered: 2011-01-05
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Re: A Unified Pokedex? "UPDATED"

About this hard/easy.

I have a few ideas with this, but I'm unsure how well the implementation would work. I'm not even really sure all the details myself so I can't really explain it well...


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#5 2012-04-13 22:37:46

ReadCutting-T
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Re: A Unified Pokedex? "UPDATED"

stag019 wrote:

About this hard/easy.

I have a few ideas with this, but I'm unsure how well the implementation would work. I'm not even really sure all the details myself so I can't really explain it well...

So if the Hackers decide to expand the number of pokemon available in their Rom, they would have to use the same system so that it would be possible to trade them.

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#6 2012-04-13 23:09:42

ElectrikeInc
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Registered: 2012-02-14
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Re: A Unified Pokedex? "UPDATED"

I think that there should be one base with the first 493 Pokémon (see KoolBoyMan's theory) and someone should post it publicly. That way, everyone who wants to use additional Pokémon from other generations would be able to without having to pick just a few, and that way, like you said, people would be able to trade. What I think can be improved about your idea is how you said that every time they make a hack with the base, they would be able to get Fakemon they might not even like in their own hack through trading. Perhaps, through similar means to the restrictions in the Time Capsule, you could ban trading of the remaining 19 Pokémon (512 total) and add Fakemon into your own hack that nobody else would need to include in their hacks. It's just a suggestion, though, so if you really want to you can make all of your Fakemon available.


I haven't been on this site for a very long time. Sorry about that! >.<
I am probably not going to get very far in the ROM projects that I've started, at least until I get more experience hacking, so I apologize.

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#7 2012-04-13 23:35:35

ReadCutting-T
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Re: A Unified Pokedex? "UPDATED"

It doesn't matter what the base is, lets say I'm making a Red-Hack and I ovewrite Charizard in with a Fakemon called 'Torferno' and add all the relevant stats.
As long as my co-hacker (who could be using crystal as a base overwrites the same pokemon (in this case Charizard, although I would never do this in reality! Charizard is just too awesome!) with Torferno and adds all the relevant stats, the two Hacks will still be able to validly trade with each other, even IF they use a different base.

Last edited by ReadCutting-T (2012-04-13 23:36:10)

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#8 2012-04-14 04:57:49

stag019
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Registered: 2011-01-05
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Re: A Unified Pokedex? "UPDATED"

When I have more time, I'll throw my idea out here.

By the way, there may be more information about Gold than Red out there, but there's also a Red disassembly in the works which, when completed, would make doing this in Red much simpler than Gold.


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